Robert Hass speaking at Alta Journal’s California Book Club, 4/16/26

Last night, we watched poet Robert Hass in conversation with John Freeman and Jesse Nathan as part of Alta Journal’s California Book Club. They were discussing Hass’s second book of poetry, Praise (1979), which was also the first book of his that I picked up a long, long time ago. 

As I’ve written elsewhere, his work is discursive and familiar, philosophical and grounded in the natural world. Reading a Hass poem is like having a conversation with the poet. He also possesses an amazing ability to conjure and recite poems from memory. 

Once, at the Dodge Poetry Festival in New Jersey, I heard him offer up—as if from thin air —half a dozen haiku by Basho, Issa, Buson, and others. His knowledge of poetry and poetic form is virtually unparalleled among contemporary American poets, which is likely the reason he was chosen as U.S. Poet Laureate for two consecutive terms starting in 1995, and why he later won a MacArthur Foundation “genius” grant. 

Thirty years ago, during his first term as Laureate, he started the column “Poet’s Choice,” at The Washington Post, which inspired this annual National Poetry Month exercise from me a year later.

I also had the pleasure of studying with Hass, at a pivotal time for my poetry, in a program run by the Community of Writers—again, a long, long time ago.

At the time, Hass pointed out that I was writing in two completely different styles, a formal work that used more archaic diction and syntax, and a simpler more direct, more colloquial style. He said that I wrote in both equally well, but that it might be time to choose between the two. “Or not,” he offered, like a Zen master wanting to leave the decision up to me. 

I chose the path more plain spoken and it made all the difference. All these years later, I have much to be thankful for from his advice.

We also had a funny exchange—I wonder if he remembers it that way, if he remembers it at all—when I asked him whether I should pursue an MFA.

“That depends upon whether you want to teach,” he answered. 

“Oh, I don’t think you can teach poetry,” I said, rather cheekily. He had been doing that very thing for 20 years by then, I realized later. 

“Then you should go out and experience the world,” he responded, without missing a beat. “You’ll have more to write about.” I followed his advice.

One more Bob Hass memory, before I share one of his poems. I’ve written about this in more detail here. When my son Walker was 6, he started having an interest in writing poems. Bob was giving a program at Poets House in New York and I took Walker, who brought one of his poems to give to Bob. Bob read Walker’s poem and said, “This is a real poem!” Walker beamed. Bob read it aloud during his talk, which seemed to bring everything full circle. 

“Meditation at Lagunitas,” from his book Praise, has become a kind of signature poem in his oeuvre—indeed, I saw many comments during the livestream that this poem changed lives. 

Here is Robert Hass’s “Meditation at Lagunitas”:

All the new thinking is about loss.

In this it resembles all the old thinking.

The idea, for example, that each particular erases

the luminous clarity of a general idea. That the clown-

faced woodpecker probing the dead sculpted trunk

of that black birch is, by his presence,

some tragic falling off from a first world

of undivided light. Or the other notion that,

because there is in this world no one thing

to which the bramble of blackberry corresponds,

a word is elegy to what it signifies.

We talked about it late last night and in the voice

of my friend, there was a thin wire of grief, a tone

almost querulous. After a while I understood that,

talking this way, everything dissolves: justice,

pine, hair, woman, you and I. There was a woman

I made love to and I remembered how, holding

her small shoulders in my hands sometimes,

I felt a violent wonder at her presence

like a thirst for salt, for my childhood river

with its island willows, silly music from the pleasure boat,

muddy places where we caught the little orange-silver fish

called pumpkinseed. It hardly had to do with her.

Longing, we say, because desire is full

of endless distances. I must have been the same to her.

But I remember so much, the way her hands dismantled bread,

the thing her father said that hurt her, what

she dreamed. There are moments when the body is as numinous

as words, days that are the good flesh continuing.

Such tenderness, those afternoons and evenings,

saying blackberry, blackberry, blackberry.

—Robert Hass

art002e009212 (April 6, 2026) In this fully illuminated view of the Moon, Image Credit: NASA

This week, for the first time in more than fifty years, human beings flew around the moon. NASA’s Artemis II crew—Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and Jeremy Hansen—completed a historic lunar flyby on April 6, setting a new record for the farthest distance from Earth any human has ever traveled. Tonight, they will return  to Earth, with splashdown scheduled for 8:07 PM ET.

During their pass around the far side, the astronauts photographed surface features rarely or never seen by human eyes, with shadows stretching across crater rims in ways that reveal depth and texture invisible under full illumination. The images they sent back are extraordinary. And yet, even now, even with all of it—the high resolution, the data, the technology that Apollo could not have imagined—the moon retains something that resists explanation. Some quality of wonder that better pictures only deepen.

I’ve been thinking about that wonder all week, and of this poem by Patricia Smith, which is about her mother, the moon, and so much more. Smith is one of the most important poets working in America today. Her most recent collection, The Intentions of Thunder: New and Selected Poems (Scribner, 2025), won the 2025 National Book Award for Poetry. She is a recipient of the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize for Lifetime Achievement, a Guggenheim fellow, an inductee of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, and a four-time individual champion of the National Poetry Slam.

Smith’s work has always moved between the intimate and the historical, between the body and the world, finding in one the precise shape of the other. “Annie Pearl Smith Discovers Moonlight” does something equally, quietly devastating: it inhabits the perspective of a Black woman in 1969 who doesn’t believe men have landed on the moon.

Her mother, the Annie Pearl of the title, isn’t  superstitious or uninformed. She is a woman who has been deceived before, by men, by the country, by the ordinary promises of ordinary life. She worked for twenty years in a candy factory and counted out her dollars—presumably for the collection plate—with the expectation of a heavenly reward. For heaven to be real, she knows, it can’t be touched, named, walked upon. It can’t be the “ten o’clock news.”

What makes the poem so remarkable is that the poet refuses to condescend to Annie Pearl, even as her 13-year-old self, sitting across the dinner table—her foot kicked gently beneath the table by her father to conspire or keep her quiet or both—feels the thrill of the moon landing unraveling inside her. Both women hold something true: the moon is both the cold rock beneath Armstrong’s boot and the luminous, unreachable promise the older woman has been clutching all her life.

That tension, between the empirical and the sacred, between what science can photograph, count, analyze and yet can’t contain, is exactly what I find myself sitting with this week, of all weeks, as new images of the lunar surface arrive, a crater gets named for the late wife of one of the crew, the astronauts head home full of awe, and the moon hangs above us, old and new at once. Like after the original lunar landing, we will never see the moon the same way again.

Here is Patricia Smith’s “Annie Pearl Smith Discovers Moonlight”:

My mother, the sage of Aliceville, Alabama, 
didn't believe that men had landed on the moon.
“'They can do anything with cameras,”
she hissed to anyone and everyone who'd listen,
even as moonrock crackled
beneath Neil Armstrong’s puffed boot.
While the gritty film spun and rewound and we
heard the snarled static of “One small step,”
my mother pouted and sniffed
and slammed skillets into the sink.
She was not impressed.
After all, it was 1969, a year fat with deceit.
So many miracles
had proven mere staging for lesser dramas.

But why this elaborate prank
staged in a desert “somewhere out west,”
where she insisted the cosmic gag unfolded?
“'They are trying to fool us.”
No one argued, since she seemed near tears,
remembering the nervy deceptions of her own skin—
mirrors that swallowed too much,
men who blessed her with touch only as warning.
A woman reduced to juices, sensation and ritual,
my mother saw the stars only as signals for sleep.
She had already been promised the moon.

And heaven too. Somewhere above her head
she imagined bubble-cheeked cherubs
lining the one and only road to salvation,
angels with porcelain faces and celestial choirs
wailing gospel brown enough to warp the seams of paradise.
But for heaven to be real, it could not be kissed,
explored,
strolled upon
or crumbled in the hands of living men.
It could not be the 10 o’clock news,
the story above the fold,
the breathless garble of a radio “special report.”

My mother had twisted her tired body into prayerful knots,
worked twenty years in a candy factory,
dipping wrinkled hands into vats of lumpy chocolate,
and counted out dollars with her thin, doubled vision,
so that a heavenly seat would be plumped for her coming.
Now the moon,
the promised land’s brightest bauble,
crunched plainer than sidewalk beneath ordinary feet.
And her Lord just lettin’ it happen.

“Ain’t nobody mentioned God in all this,” she muttered
over a hurried dinner of steamed collards and cornbread.
“That’s how I know they ain’t up there.
Them stars, them planets ain’t ours to mess with.
The Lord woulda showed Hisself if them men
done punched a hole in my heaven.”
Daddy kicked my foot beneath the table;
we nodded, we chewed, we swallowed.
Inside me, thrill unraveled;
I imagined my foot touching down on the jagged rock,
blessings moving like white light through my veins.

Annie Pearl Smith rose from sleep that night
and tilted her face full toward a violated paradise.
My father told me how she whispered in tongues,
how she ached for a sign
she wouldn’t have to die to believe.

Now I watch her clicking like a clock toward deliverance,
and I tell her that heaven still glows wide and righteous
with a place waiting just for her,
fashioned long ago by that lumbering dance
of feet both human and holy.

Patricia Smith’s “Annie Pearl Smith Discovers Moonlight” originally appeared in AGNI 36 (1992) and in Big Towns, Big Talk (Zoland Books, 1992); and, most recently, in The Intentions of Thunder: New and Selected Poems (Scribner Poetry, 2025).

Forrest Gander reading at MCLA, November 2024. Photo by SEA

I wrote a profile of poet Forrest Gander for Berkshire Magazine back in the Fall of 2024, when he was visiting poet at MCLA in North Adams, MA. I’ve been personally and deeply engaged with Forrest’s poetry and nonfiction since his first book, Rush to the Lake, came out from Alice James Books in 1988. And I thoroughly enjoyed spending some concentrated time with his body of work, along with his latest book, Mojave Ghost: A Novel Poem, which New Directions published that year, in preparation for the article.

“The basic gesture of my writing is a listening,” poet Forrest Gander has written. “The great capacity of language is to bring us into proximity with one another.”

In Mojave Ghost, Gander is listening hard: to the desert, to the dead, and to the layered silences between. More sentence-based and more nakedly elegiac than anything he has published before, the book traces a movement from Arkansas into California, and along the San Andrea Fault, following geological and personal fault lines simultaneously.

Gander was born in 1956 in Barstow, in the Mojave Desert itself. His mother talked about the desert often, and he didn’t return until after she was gone. Her stories about Rainbow Basin, the fossils she collected there, and the landscape she loved, run through the book like an underground current. So does grief for his partner of 35 years, the poet C.D. Wright, who died suddenly in 2016. In Mojave Ghost, the pronouns slip and the addressee shifts; it may be his late mother, his late partner, or Ashwini Bhat, the sculptor he married in 2020. “Science tells us that although we may feel ourselves as a unified, authentic self, we’re actually a collaboration of conflicting voices,” Gander told me in an interview. “That’s something I’ve come to intuitively feel.”

What holds it all together is the landscape and what landscape does to time. While hiking along the San Andreas, Gander realized that looking at the terrain around him, he was also seeing past and present at once. “Those two conflations of past and present — of the personal and the geological — form the currents in Mojave Ghost.”

Memory has long been active in his work. In the new book, he asks:

Is it odd that what we remember

is confined so often to particular moments

like still images ripped from a film?

“My memory of my late mother’s face can be more real for me, more exact, more present even than the face of someone I’m talking with now,” he says. “In our minds, whatever had once been possible can be so again.”

Asked what he hopes readers take away from his poetry, Gander offers something close to a credo: “Thought-feeling. Feeling-thought. Western culture divides feeling from thought, but there are single words in Chinese and Japanese for heart/mind.” He agrees with Ezra Pound that “only emotion endures.”

“No one cares about how much money some investor made in 600 BCE, but we do care about even the small fragments of Sappho’s poems,” Gander says. “That’s about as much of a miracle as the world offers us.”

The following section from Mojave Ghost is shared with the author’s permission:





Because the tree line opens contours of meanings

other than the ones for which we’re prepared,

we treat it with suspicion.





When he smiled and shook his head no, his face

connoted the presumption that you and I live in a different world.

He took us in like the scent of a dead animal.





But how to sustain attentiveness? How to keep

the mind from dropping its needle

into the worn grooves of association?





My art, you said in passing, is nothing much

more than the discipline of an embodied life.





Articulating nuance. The delicate

palette. You paint details

with a tiny brush you made yourself

of hair plucked from your forearm.





They distrust me, you said, because

they can tell I prefer my work to their own.





Which is when I tucked a red anemone

under your pillow to bring you good dreams. What





else did you say?

Fair enough. It is a marriage of equals and without degree.





Your trace on me

like rope marks on the well’s mouth.





Here, have a thought.





As for our misfit status: as Brecht observed,

the palace of canonical culture is built on—


Not to interpret. To feel life course through you.





—Forrest Gander, from Mojave Ghost

Here’s a link to my Berkshire Magazine profile: Forrest Gander